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EP · 002

Work UnscriptedKatie Savage

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SHE STARTED AS CIO OF MARYLAND 8 MONTHS PREGNANT. HERE'S WHAT SHE BUILT.

SHE'S EDITED BOOKS HER ENTIRE LIFE. HERE'S WHAT SHE KNOWS ABOUT STORIES THAT LAST.

THE 'F*** YES' PHILOSOPHY: LESLIE BARBER ON SAYING YES BEFORE YOU'RE READY

THE SCIENTIST WHO BET HIS CAREER ON BUGS. 14 YEARS LATER, HE WAS RIGHT.

HE FOUNDED BLOCK TALK RADIO BEFORE PODCASTING WAS A THING. 30 YEARS LATER, HE WAS RIGHT.

HE BOOKED KIM KARDASHIAN FROM HIS MOM'S PHONE AT 15. THEN HE WENT VIRAL.

20 YEARS IN COMBAT: THE BATTLE NOBODY WARNED ME ABOUT

THE HONORABLE JOHN SHERMAN: WHY KINDNESS IS THE MOST UNDERRATED LEADERSHIP STRATEGY

HER PARENTS WERE UNDOCUMENTED. SHE BECAME AN IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY.

SHE WAS THE CIO FOR AN ENTIRE STATE GOVERNMENT. HERE'S WHAT SHE ACTUALLY HAD TO FIGURE OUT.

SHE BROKE OFF HER ENGAGEMENT, LEFT NEW YORK, AND WROTE A BOOK ABOUT ALL OF IT.

HE FLEW THE PRESIDENT. THEN HE COMMANDED CYBER AND SPACE. NOW WHAT?

HE REBUILDS CHILDREN'S FACES. THE OPERATING ROOM IS JUST THE BEGINNING.

46 YEARS TO UNDERSTAND ONE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT HELPING OTHERS

HE WENT PRO AT DISC GOLF BEFORE ANYONE THOUGHT IT WAS POSSIBLE

ONE YEAR SINCE I LEFT THE PENTAGON. HERE'S WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

I TALKED TO 22 PEOPLE AFTER THEY LOST THEIR JOBS. HERE'S WHAT NO ONE TELLS YOU.

THE PATTERN BEHIND EVERY SUCCESSFUL CAREER CHANGE

A DECADE OF ENTERPRISE SALES, 240 POUNDS, AND WHISKEY AT 3AM. THEN HE STOPPED.

HIS IMMIGRANT PARENTS WANTED SECURITY. HE CHOSE ART. THEY BOTH TURNED OUT TO BE RIGHT.

HISTORY, PATTERNS, AND WHAT 20-YEAR-OLD YOU WOULD THINK OF WHO YOU ARE NOW

IF YOU'RE STARTING 2026 AT A CROSSROADS, THIS ONE IS FOR YOU.

SHE WAS IN HER MID-30S WITH NO SUPPORT. SHE DID A UX BOOTCAMP ANYWAY. HERE'S THE TRUTH.

10,000 GOVERNMENT EXECUTIVES AND NO REAL LEADERSHIP PIPELINE. JASON BRIEFEL ON THE BROKEN SYSTEM.

THE ONE THING NOBODY TELLS YOU ABOUT STARTING OVER

SHE WORKED TWO JOBS, DROVE EVERYWHERE, AND PUT TWO DAUGHTERS THROUGH PRIVATE SCHOOL. HERE'S HOW.

SOMETHING NEW IS COMING. HERE'S WHAT I'VE BEEN BUILDING BEHIND THE SCENES.

REPRESENTATION HAS A PRICE: ONE WOMAN'S BREAKING POINT

TWO WORLDS ARE COLLAPSING AT ONCE: WHAT AMAZON LAYOFFS AND GOVERNMENT RIFS HAVE IN COMMON

IF YOUR TITLE DISAPPEARED TOMORROW, WHO WOULD YOU BE?

SHE WAS ON THE LAST RESPONSE IN SUDAN. THEN USAID WAS DISMANTLED.

HER FATHER WAS A GULF WAR VETERAN FAILED BY THE VA. SHE MADE IT HER LIFE'S WORK TO FIX THAT.

FROM THE STAGE TO THE CLASSROOM: WHY HE GAVE UP THE MIC

HE DIDN'T CHOOSE TO BE UNEMPLOYED. BUT ONCE HE DID, EVERYTHING CHANGED.

HE LEFT A CORPORATE CAREER TO FILM VIDEOS ON HIS PHONE. NOW HE MAKES SIX FIGURES.

25 YEARS INSIDE THE PENTAGON. NOW WHAT?

AARON BROOKS, FEDERAL BUREAU OF PRISONS FOOD SERVICE SUPERVISOR

THE JOB VS THE WORK: WHAT EVERY LEADER GETS WRONG

FROM DESIGN AND TECH TO SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY MATTERS: SARAH JOHNSON'S TRANSFORMATION

SHE BUILT A THERAPY PRACTICE WHILE HER OWN LIFE WAS FALLING APART

THE MOST POWERFUL LEADERSHIP SKILL NOBODY IS TEACHING: HOW TO ACTUALLY RECEIVE FEEDBACK

FROM IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN TO THE DESERT TRAILS: ONE SOLDIER'S SEARCH FOR PEACE AFTER SERVICE

THE MOMENT SHE STOPPED RUNNING FROM HARD THINGS

SHE STARTED A PODCAST FOR HER CULTURE. THEN SHE BUILT THE ORGANIZATION TO MATCH.

RELATIONSHIPS ARE THE REAL CAREER STRATEGY: HOWIE COHEN ON THE HUMAN SIDE OF WORK

90% OF MANAGERS THINK THEY'RE IN THE TOP 10%. THE MATH DOESN'T WORK.

SHE SOLD HER HOUSE, LEFT HER JOB, AND TRAVELED 23 COUNTRIES WITH HER FAMILY. THIS IS WHAT SHE FOUND.

I SPENT 20 YEARS EARNING TITLES. LOSING THEM TAUGHT ME EVERYTHING.

HE TOOK AN ACTING CLASS TO IMPRESS A GIRL. NOW HE BOOKS NATIONAL COMMERCIALS.

HE RUNS THE OREGON BALLET THEATER. HERE'S WHAT HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT RUNNING AN ARTS ORGANIZATION.

HE RUNS THE NEWSROOM THAT COVERS THE GOVERNMENT'S TECHNOLOGY BEAT. HERE'S WHAT HE SEES.

HE PRACTICED RHEUMATOLOGY, THEN SPENT 25 YEARS IN BIOTECH. NOW HE'S SMELLING THE ROSES.

PASTOR. FBI AGENT. PROFESSIONAL SCRABBLE PLAYER. ERIC ROBINSON'S THREE-ACT CAREER.

SHE LEFT LAW IN A PANIC. THEN HER HUSBAND SUGGESTED GOLF. THEN SHE FOUND HER REAL CALLING.

SHE WAS RANKED 140TH IN THE WORLD AT 24. THEN SHE BECAME A LAWYER. THEN SHE WALKED AWAY FROM THAT TOO.

SHE MOVED ABROAD AT 22 WITH NO PLAN. TWO DECADES AND FOUR COUNTRIES LATER, SHE'S STILL LOOKING FOR HOME.

HE GOT FIRED MONTHS BEFORE HIS STARTUP HIT A $500 MILLION VALUATION. SO HE STARTED HIS OWN.

AI COULD HAVE ENDED HIS 30-YEAR CAREER. INSTEAD, HE USED IT TO START OVER AT 50.

HE LOST HIS JOB AT THE PENTAGON. HE MOVED TO MEXICO. NO REGRETS.